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Death for the #DelhiGangRape Accused but is it Partial #Justice?

September 13, 2013

The 4 convicted men

Nine months after the brutal gang rape and assault on a college student on a bus in Delhi, on 10 September 2013, a court in India delivered a guilty verdict.  It ruled that 4 of the 6 men involved were guilty of gang rape and murder, and pronounced that it was their intent to kill the victim.  The court pointed out that disemboweling her with an iron rod, throwing her off a moving bus and trying to run her over, were tantamount to intent to kill.

On Sept 13 the court sentenced the 4 men to death under Indian law that allows capital punishment to “the rarest of rare cases.” One other man involved, the one who used the iron rod and was the most brutal of the gang, was deemed a juvenile, and hence given a lenient sentence of 3 years in a reform home in accordance with Indian law.  The sixth man who was killed in prison, apparently had committed suicide.

However questions remain.  And as this case moves from the lower courts to the upper courts, we hope that the public and media will push for answers to these unanswered questions listed below. 

The answers to these questions are very important for two reasons:

1) To ensure that full justice is done to the victim.  This means all who were involved from the time of the incident to the time of her death have legally accounted for their role.

2) To ensure that this case indeed is a watershed case for a larger change that’s going to shake up the social, political, criminal, legal, and judicial systems that not only tolerate escalating violence on women in India, but also perpetuate it through rampant misogyny, apathy and corruption.


1) ROLE OF POLICE: The victim’s male friend who was also battered and is the sole and surviving eye-witness in this case, in later interviews talked about how the police arrived 45 minutes after the call for help at the crime scene, but also stood around for a long time and debated among themselves whose zone that case fell within, while the victim lay on the road bleeding to death! The police has blatantly denied this.  While the court accepts the survivors statement on the accused, why shouldn’t their statement about the police also be accepted? Legally isn’t it  important to ascertain why the police have rebuffed the witnesses statement, why they did not immediately send for an ambulance upon seeing the state of the victim, and why the victim was not taken to the closest hospital? Would this delay have played a role in blood loss and the deterioration of the victim’s condition and impinged on her chances of survival?

2)  ROLE OF HOSPITALS: At the hospital the victim and her male friend were dumped on the floor of the hospital, where they lay for long without any clothes, cold and bleeding, before they were given medical aid.  No one even gave them a blanket to cover themselves with.  Would this delay have played a role in blood loss and the deterioration of the victim’s condition and impinged on her chances of survival?

3) ROLE OF POLITICS: After the victim had been operated on and had stabilized and had just begun communicating, she was put through a grueling, police statement, twice!  Both statements were almost identical, and apparently it was an ego clash between different offices that led to this.  Why was the victim made to repeat her testimony particularly in her fragile condition when just one would have sufficed?  What impact did this kind of stress, apathetically imposed, have on her condition?

4) ROLE OF GOVERNMENT: The victim was transferred to a hospital in Singapore against the advice of the doctors who had been tending to her from the start.  Travel, particularly by air, for someone in her condition was inadvisable, but we are told it was not decided by her doctors but by government officials.  Why was the advice of the team of doctors who had initially stabilized her over-ridden?  Who are the government offices and officials who were directly involved in this decision and why did they take this decision? The victim’s family is poor and not educated and had to go along with whatever was told to them.  What exactly was told to the family?  If the victim had a wealthy family who could afford private doctors, powerful lawyers, and legal advisors, what would they have done under the same circumstances?

5)  ROLE OF CORRUPTION: Why was the accused Ram Singh, who apparently committed suicide in jail not kept in solitary confinement, under suicide watch?  Ram Singh had a prior criminal background.  He apparently had stalked and forcefully married a woman, who was killed under unexplained circumstances, within a year.  What are the chances for a sociopath like this to commit suicide?  Might Ram Singh have been murdered as his lawyers have claimed, because he may have blurted information that needed to be suppressed? How was a man with this kind of a criminal background hired to drive this bus, which apparently also ferried school children?  The bus was being run on illegal permits given out by transport officials, and the papers for the bus apparently have gone ‘missing?’ Who was involved in granting illegal licenses to these buses?  From the pattern of this attack, the manner in which the couple was lured on board, and then attacked, isn’t it likely that this bus, or perhaps many other illegal buses plying in the city, have similarly lured unsuspecting women on board and assaulted them?  It is highly unlikely that women, especially if they are college educated, middle-class and or working would report such attacks because of the cultural barrier of ‘class’ silence.  In the recent gang rape attack on a photo journalist in Mumbai, it is clear the ‘gang’ had targeted other women too. Might Ram Singh have provided testimony to confirm that in the Delhi case?  To what extent would this information be known to police and people licensing this bus?

5) ROLE OF COURTS: This trial despite being put through a fast-track court dragged on for 9 months before a conviction and a sentence was handed out.   This was actually ‘faster’ than most cases in India that drag on for years.  One of the reasons was the massive mobilization of public support and national and international media that kept up the pressure on this case to proceed.  However, the Indian courts can move faster! This is evident for e.g. in the case of a Swiss tourist who was gang raped in India in mid-March.  In the dark of the forest where the attack happened in the middle of the night, she couldn’t possibly see the faces of her attackers.  But not only were all the attackers traced and arrested rapidly but were all handed a life-sentence within 4 monthsSo why despite eye witness testimonies, and identification of the rapists by both victims in the Delhi case, did the case take longer?

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163 Comments leave one →
  1. September 13, 2013 4:07 pm

    I do not support capital punishment:

    • September 13, 2013 4:32 pm

      We are not debating that yet, because this sentence is in accordance with the existing law. What we are asking here is that do you agree that the it was only the 4 convicted who contributed to the victim’s death or did the other agencies we mention here play a role in the way described. In any other country wouldn’t the police, the government, the hospitals etc. also be investigated in a case like this?

    • Vijay Kumar Bagla permalink
      September 14, 2013 1:59 pm

      It should have been more than capital punishment ,those criminals sud be hanged in PUBLIC,their body parts sud be cut into pieces and given to dogs n vultures…….

    • Jessie Manadavadi permalink
      September 14, 2013 3:14 pm

      These are scumbags who do not deserve to live! I fully support capital punishment for such cowardly bastards who prey on innocent women. They make me sick!! I say shoot them, or better still, cut their scrotums off!!

    • Kamini Vohra permalink
      September 14, 2013 8:38 pm

      Jessie,you mean cut their penises off,not scrotum.
      Scrotum,only makes sperm.Penis gives you the,excitement.
      Sorry,male readers.

    • September 14, 2013 3:44 pm

      Saurav, I am also 100% against capital punishment, as it denies justice for the victims. For the victims justice means something else than it does for bystanders. I appreciate the rupture this case’s media attention has caused in Indian society. So maybe this was needed to evoke real change and maybe in the near future India can let go of institutionalised killing. For a victim it is so important that the perpetrator(s) realise what they / he have done. And that usually only happens a few years later after they had some time to think. “”In November 2004, I was at work and I knew this person; but he was just an acquaintance and at lunch time, he attacked and raped me.” Presenter: “This is Joanne Nodding, a primary school teacher in England.” “For the first few weeks, every time I looked into a mirror, I could see the physical bruises, that he’s caused me. All I did was just sit there. I didn’t go out, didn’t want to go out. It totally stopped my life for the first three months. And then after that, I couldn’t sleep, I didn’t want to be in the dark, I didn’t want to be on my own and that was really hard for me because I am quite an independent person and I felt like I couldn’t do anything on my own.” Presenter: “This man caused you great pain and I would imagine great anger and resentment too.” “It literally eats you up, the more you think about it, the more angry you get and I would have outbursts and I would suddenly burst into tears for no reason because the anger would make me burst into tears. Because I didn’t know at that point if I would ever get my life back again and if I’d ever be able to become my old self. I felt like he’d taken me away and it stopped me being the person I was.” Presenter: “Joanna Nodding heard her attacker confess to the crime in court but she believes that that was a selfish act. The evidence against him was overwhelming, a not-guilty plea would have been absurd and self-defeating. But, she says, she thinks his second confession was genuine. Genuine and valuable. It came four years later on the day that he agreed to meet her face to face as part of a programme of restorative justice.” “I walked to him. We had eye contact immediately and he looked like a scared little boy. It was a complete role reversal. I went through exactly what he’d done to me. He got in tears very very quickly because I told him that I thought he was gonna kill me on the day and he hadn’t even considered that. He didn’t realise that he had made me feel like that. He then cried when I told him, like what he’d done to my family and he looked at me and he said: “I am sorry and when I say sorry, I mean proper sorry and I promise you, I’ll never do this again.” Presenter: “What was it like when you heard him say, I am sorry? Did you believe him? Do you think he was sincere?” “Yes, I did. It was really, really sincere. He looked at me, straight in the eye. He didn’t look down; he didn’t look away. He had tears in his eyes and it was so profound, the way he said it, I totally believed him.” Presenter: “What difference did that make to you? What could that do to the anger and the resentment and the fear?” “The anger suddenly dropped, because I just felt: At long last he is understanding. You know, he is coming to terms with what he’s done. And he knows he done wrong because I felt like in court he didn’t know what he’d done wrong. I never went for a sorry, but hearing it was amazing.” (from BBC – The Why Factor) The abolition of the death penalty in 1969 made it possible for this woman to get her life back and come to terms with what this man had done to her. Hopefully, one day all women (and men) will get this chance.

    • September 15, 2013 12:07 am

      Being hung is too easy, they should be burned alive in the middle of the city,so every man who imagines doing such thins will be scared to evvvvver act on it……Extreme cases need extreeeeeeeeme measures……

      I was in Delhi, my foot fractured by a rich man’s car….he did not take me to the hospital; when I went to government hospital a man offered me a hand to help me walk,since I was hopping on one leg, and then he tried to feel my breast from the side, DISGUSTING PIGS, I told him,let go I can walk on my own!!!


    • Prasanna Kumar Acharya permalink
      September 15, 2013 11:07 am

      Dear Saurav, If you are afraid that people will start killing in the fear that if caught they will be hanged, then examination should not be held as some students commit suicide after they fail. Capital Punishment is 100% justified, you can see the countries, the more strignent punishment, the less crime, e.g.China, Gulf Countries

    • John Jay permalink
      September 15, 2013 4:34 pm


    • September 17, 2013 4:05 pm

      “If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.”
      John McAdams – Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence

    • September 17, 2013 5:22 pm

      See this article: on death penalty versus life.

  2. September 13, 2013 4:51 pm

    I completely agree with the arguments made in the post.

    • Prasanna Kumar Acharya permalink
      September 15, 2013 11:14 am

      Dear Karen, This act was in no way similar to the act you have described. This was a planned act with an intent to kill. They were habitual criminals. Whereas the crime you have described was done more out of lust and the criminal had no prior or post record of this kind of crime. The crime which we are discussing of has gone beyond any sense of humanity, even beasts do have some respect for their victims.

  3. Samir Chatterjee permalink
    September 13, 2013 9:39 pm

    Of course all other Indian public service agencies could have assisted the victims a lot more. These weaknesses, inefficiencies or corruptions if you like, would not be wiped out until the basic attitudes to women change in India. In order to carry out that long term task, we need plenty of antisexist training in all walks of life in India covering all educational institutions, workplaces, families and leisure centres. Indian women have been “protected” by fathers, brothers, husbands and sons for too long. Now that they are emerging from their homes to compete with their men in workplaces and chose their own partners of their lives, average Indian men do not know how to cope with this new socio-economic situation. Their inadequacy is translated into all these acts of violence against Indian women. Beware of many more such violent attacks!

    • Deb White permalink
      September 14, 2013 5:58 pm

      That is a poor excuse for animalistic behaviour. Are you blaming women now for these attacks? Is it because educated, working women can say no to sex with their husbands now whereas before we had no choice??? Is that what the violence is all about? Retaliation from less intelligent men living life as it was 3 or 4 hundred years ago? Is that progress?

  4. September 13, 2013 10:00 pm

    Though many things are still unanswered,yet mass public involvement and now court’s decision is beginning of a new era.The Court’s decision will create awareness in criminals to think which will prevent them to commit such a crime.The movement has to keep going and children,youth and people from all walks of life need to contribute to create an atmosphere to make the world a place worth living for children,women and all people in general.We should not forget the happening.All agencies including every individual need to introspect and work to improve the system

    • September 14, 2013 11:56 am

      @Radha — Assume these 6 men knew that if after the crime Nirbhaya and her male friend survived to tell the tale, then surely the police would get them and they’ll get the death penalty. What do you think they’d do? Do you not think they’d kill the victims to make sure there is no witness. Think about the Aarushi case. Both Aarushi and the male domestic help who would have been a witness were killed. Do we know yet what really happened and who really did it? In the end the penalty could be death or life sentence, but if the criminals know that the police is so incompetent that they will never catch them or investigate it, if all victims and witnesses are dead, and there will be no penalty to pay, then do you really think they will not rape and murder?

  5. Joyce Bonner permalink
    September 13, 2013 11:31 pm

    It seems very unjust to me that the “juvenile” involved (who was the most vicious of the men) was not tried as an adult. He most certainly is (and probably will be for the rest of his life!) a serious threat to society and especially to women.

    • Anna Lowenstein permalink
      September 14, 2013 1:48 pm

      Either someone is a juvenile, or they are an adult. If someone is a juvenile they are not considered mature enough to fully judge the consequences of their actions, and this is the same whatever type of crime they have committed. You can’t change the categories to suit yourself, and this would be a very dangerous precedent. I agree, though, that simply releasing him after three years seems extraordinary. I should have thought it would be possible to do an assessment of his progress after three years, and to decide whether he is still a danger to the public before releasing him. I would also hope that the three years will be used for psychological treatment, and for attempting to reform his attitude before he is released, but I doubt whether three years would be sufficient, and also whether the Indian system is equipped to do this.

    • Kim Wright permalink
      September 14, 2013 1:51 pm

      There are very obvious reasons why the majority of countries acknowledge the need to sentence juveniles differently than adults. The majority of juveniles that offend do not go on to offend as adults when their age and maturity are taken into account by courts. Its a big leap to assume what someones behaviour will be as an adult. You have judged him now for crimes you believe he will commit in the future.I dod not support the death sentence and the beying for blood lessens us all

    • September 14, 2013 4:41 pm

      I could not agree more, he knew exactly what he was doing.

    • September 14, 2013 5:54 pm

      i also agree with Joyce. The juvenile needs to be hanged after he becomes 18. If he can do such an act at this age you can imagine what he will do when out in 3 yrs. Do not leave this man.Only then her soul will rest in peace

    • Deb White permalink
      September 14, 2013 6:01 pm

      agreed. he lost his right to live in the world and needs to be removed from it permanently. he has nothing to contribute and will be living off the state. prison is too good for him or this reform place

    • September 14, 2013 7:44 pm

      I absolutely agree with the comments made by you!
      After three years he will be back on street like serial killer!

    • Sanjam permalink
      September 14, 2013 7:53 pm

      Yes I agree totally! Such a person cannot be reformed and shall be given the death penalty. If not at least a life sentence with NO chance of parole.

    • Nori permalink
      September 14, 2013 7:56 pm

      i totally agree

    • Kamini Vohra permalink
      September 14, 2013 8:40 pm

      I totally,agree with you.

    • September 14, 2013 8:43 pm

      I agree with Joyce, he committed a very savage, torturous crime and should have been tried as an adult. No punishment is enough for this act of terrorism agains against women and he should at least be jailed for life. If he is totally devoid of a conscience at his age, then I doubt very much that he will ever develop one and will continue to be a threat to society. There should be an inquiry into the police handling of this case and their negligence needs to be punished. How else are you going to get the message across that women are equally important as men and should be treated with the utmost respect.

    • peter Ursyn Meissner permalink
      September 14, 2013 9:38 pm

      I agree with you, he is likely to do something similar in future

    • Meena permalink
      September 14, 2013 11:02 pm

      I agree that any juvenile who is so vicious should never be released. Even if the death penalty cannot be passed, he should be jailed and put away for ever! I’m quite sure the other culprits would definitely have been very vicious themselves when they were juveniles. In most cases they don’t become so overnight. Its over a period of time during the growing years that this kind of behavior starts and continues till they are caught. The thought that this juvenile is going to be out on the streets in a mere 3 years is frightening.

    • carl ambrose permalink
      September 15, 2013 6:48 am

      totally agree, hold him till he is an adult then try him for his crime .. in the mean time cut his balls off

  6. Patricia Boyle-Wight permalink
    September 13, 2013 11:44 pm

    Yes, I believe these questions need answers. The larger systems need to be looked at, as this is obviously a problem which is larger than the acts of the six men who directly attacked her and her friend.

  7. Wendy permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:46 am

    The whole place/system needs cleaning up

  8. September 14, 2013 6:14 am

    I also do not support capital punishment but agree that it is not the issue being focused on. Rather it is the behaviour of the police, hospitals, government, courts etc. The whole attitude of male-dominated Indian society. From what I know of this case, there are many to be blamed. One would hope that the sentences given (finally) might serve as a deterrent, but that won’t be the case. Girls and women continue to be raped daily. And from what I’ve read of the police in India, no woman can ever feel safe.

  9. Raji permalink
    September 14, 2013 6:38 am

    I do think capital punishment in this case is quite just. cause this could be the first stepping stone towards the bigger picture.. stopping gender discrimination in our country. but i do not agree with the punishment given to the juvenile. I honestly do think that the Indian bureaucrats who were involved in any way in this case should be brought to justice. It is more than just the rape and murder of a woman. its the system that tried to cover up. the system that justifies the acts of criminals and justifies corruption and intervention of politics into legal system as the way of the land.

    • Kim Wright permalink
      September 14, 2013 1:55 pm

      Capital punishment is never just. Another point to consider on that issue is, if the system is corrupt, then how can you be sure of any of the evidence and the circumstances of the attainment of evidence……….but at the same time support murdering these men judged by this evidence
      Capital punishment lessens us all.

    • September 14, 2013 5:29 pm

      Why accountability of police was not ascertained? Whether judicial member was biased with police. Why transport authorities were not punished for plying Bus illegally ?

  10. Subrata Das permalink
    September 14, 2013 1:42 pm

    I also do not support capital punishment as panacea to all evils.The society and their master s responsible for this. Who will punish them?

  11. Beverley Adamson permalink
    September 14, 2013 1:43 pm

    Definitely all five questions need to be taken into account and addressed.

  12. September 14, 2013 1:52 pm

    The Juvenile must also be given such types of punishment.He was also the equal shareholder in this crime,so he must be given equal punishment.It will only be the real justice to the victim.

  13. September 14, 2013 1:53 pm

    The important thing is to ensure that there are severe penalties for not acting promptly and appropriately in such cases.
    No public official or politician should be able to hold office or receive any income whilst allegations of rape are pending against them.
    The sentences for the rapists themselves need to be humiliating and degrading and well as long and hard. Infliction of severe injuries will attract the death penalty.
    Only by such actions will this barbaric behaviour towards women be stopped.

  14. Vertica permalink
    September 14, 2013 1:59 pm

    We all want answers to these well-sieved questions!!! The mass uproar should continue to boil the corrupt heads of babus, police, hospital authorities and sick minds. A little progress and positivism is better than no movement at all. Lets keep the candle burning…

  15. John Albert permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:04 pm

    I completely agree with the arguments made in the post.

  16. Prof. Dr. Siga Arles permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:10 pm

    Severe punishment such as this could only frighten men from misbehaving with women in such vulgar ways. Capital punishment to rid society of the evil characters is like surgical removal of tainted body parts. Yes, even the juvenile ought to have been put away since he reportedly was vicious.
    One safeguard we need is that evil people and evil minded police or government officials and politicians should not easily use capital punishment against their enemies / victims. We can only protect the innocent if our system is cleaned up in totality.
    From that perspective, your 5 unanswered questions are needing to be raised and addressed. Please keep pushing for it.
    Can we dream of a clean up of our society? Should not this root in the moral code and the spirituality promoted by religions? Not only legal system, political system, governance, public morality, but also religion and culture need to be renewed. The culture of rape ought to be dealt with a thorough investigation into the root causes such as patriarchy, caste, lack of education of women, economic depravity, etc.,
    Glad that the media is helping to bring a national awareness and that people like you are rallying to bring a transformation of the situation. Thanks.

  17. September 14, 2013 2:16 pm

    i do not agree with the death penalty. they are a product of the culture of murder of women. they have been taught that culture from the cradle. they are poor ,no prospect of having a wife o their own. might have been framed, probably have. in such a murderous justice system how can you call for the death penalty of anyone. life is not ours to take. they are as much victims as she was.

    • Prasanna Kumar Acharya permalink
      September 15, 2013 11:28 am

      Dear Linda, Would you say same thing if this kind of crime had been perpretrated on you or any of your near and dear one ? This is my question to all who say against capital punishment. some of them were married too. They are as equal a product of a society, as others, then why not others are involved in this kind of crime ?

  18. September 14, 2013 2:17 pm

    Like Saurav I am not a supporter of the death penalty and as well as your extremely pertinent questions and comparisons, there are more elements that trouble me. I appreciate that you are not debating the application of the death penalty but something to ponder when you do, this sentence smacks of the Indian legal system trying to appease people both at home and internationally. When you look through the history of rape / murder cases that have happened that seem to be forgotten on the subcontinent it brings this verdict into even greater focus.

    On the positive side, I sincerely hope that there is a sea change in how men in particular view women. Unfortunately there will always be crimes of violence but anything that allows an inherent acceptance of it should be robustly challenged.

    My sincere condolences to the victims family and partner and I wish India all the best as it tries to answer the questions this case raises.

  19. September 14, 2013 2:18 pm

    Reblogged this on userdefinedlogic and commented:
    Interesting discussion (and a very necessary one!)

  20. Yatin Singla permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:19 pm

    However the late decision announced by the court is appreciated. But this is a democratic Country Let them hold to the Public and let it be decide by the public too. which sentence they deserve. they did not only deserve the death sentence but the death should be given to them that they themselves demand death. and one thing more I want to ask the same question to those who are opposite to the capital punishment.. But they do if they are the judge and god forbid if it happens to their dear ones..?? shame shame..

    • September 14, 2013 8:26 pm

      Yatin — In a democracy it is still the courts who decide on the case and give the sentence. Not the public. If the public does not agree with the sentence there are ways to petition against it legally through the court system but not a public poll!

  21. CA DARSHAN PIPLANI permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:26 pm


  22. September 14, 2013 2:27 pm

    I feel right from the start the police delayed by arguing and hesitating only to hope the victims die. The government shuffled her to a different hospital in Singapore hoping she would die. She was asked to give testimony twice to tire her out hoping she would die. I feel that they were hoping she would just drop the case some where along the line. She was viewed as bad luck for being born female. What kind of society is this? They wanted her to shut her up for good by burying her alive, early, and for good.

  23. Subin Das. permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:29 pm

    When things like such happens to some one else not belonging to one’s clam, all sort of comments, thoughts, do’s and don’ts surfaces. It’s strange none of these posts are bothered with the guy who was declared as the cruelest culprit who shoved an iron bar and pulled out her internals. What sort of mental set-up allows a person to commit such heinous act and then walk away from the scene? Just because he has been proved as underage(juvenile) he got away with lightest sentence, just 3-years in reformative jail. I would like to ask one and all, any person with such a psychological mind set, can he be reformed and brought back to normal stage? Will he not commit same kind of crime when he gets out and led back into our society? Just to prove my point another innocent women have to lay her life on line and face same kind of treatment from this deranged minded criminal. Lets not start accusing all who tried their best to bring these “Jack the Rippers” to justice and sentenced them to be hanged till death. Forget about not supporting Capital punishments to such miscreants. First bring up our society to same level like Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc. then talk about not supporting Capital punishment. To me Court of law should have a law, none sentenced to death for such gruesome crime should have rights to appeal to higher courts for clemency. Sentences should be carried out in public. This might send across a stringent message to rest of such perverts, before they even contemplate of carrying out such crimes against women folks. I know I am being cruel, but people like these understands only this kind of languages.

  24. Subramani PK permalink
    September 14, 2013 2:37 pm

    The questions not answered will never be answered as our system of investigation & justice ends with the conviction of the directly accused/involved. The people who are indirectly involved or responsible will never be brought to book or punished. With criminals occupying governing seats in state assembly & parliament etc what better governance or system you can expect. Let us fight these deficiencies through mass protests/appeals & elections.

  25. September 14, 2013 2:57 pm

    really these are serious questions and their should be a debate, and the corcerned should also be punished for all the negligence made.

  26. Kamini Vohra permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:09 pm

    The whole system in India-from the government all the way down to a grocer,is corrupt.
    People I have seen with my own eyes,involved in a R,T. A,are left to suffer and Die.
    Not one person,knows heart message or how to save a person.
    Human life is treated,like CRAP,over there.Knowone wants to get,involved,incase the police suspect them,even if they are innocent.
    Dogs are treated,even worse.It breaks my heart,to see them injured.Know one cares.
    That is the kind of society,exists and they will never change or improve.
    CORRUPTION is the way.
    Because,this poor victim,came from,a poor background,that is why she was ignored and left to die,whilst she was in a hospital,treating poor society.
    You need money,to bribe,to get things going.

  27. shekhar permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:27 pm

    Your arguments make perfect sense – justice is still partially delivered.

    But in addition to above if our education system is not reformed where children are taught moral science and made to realize its value till then the real change wont be complete. India is loosing its cultural roots fast – its sad and horrifying.

  28. September 14, 2013 3:28 pm

    The questions you have raised remain unanswered and need to be kept in the forefront till they are.. But the level at which we have to look at our social and political systems which oppress and suppress women is absolutely fundamental for bringing about change. A girl child is brought up to believe she is less than a boy; all religious and political institutes are there to reinforce this attitude. Boys grow up believing the girls do not need to be treated with respect and violence against women is taken for granted, in our homes, in our streets and in our judicial systems. Our institutions are a reflection of our social systems – people in the police, courts, politics – have all come through a misogynist upbringing and no education has changed that thinking. We need to re-educate all of us and question more than anything our religious education which condones our shocking behaviour towards 50% of our population. Mindsets have to change; our thinking has to change – only then will we change the way our institutions work. But to put it in its context, cruelty towards women is a worldwide phenomenon. Denying women their rights exists in every country of the world. So, why are men so afraid of women?

  29. Pratima Belman Tantry permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:39 pm

    I believe that giving the juvenile such a light sentence is totally not justified. If a juvenile of that category is excused only on the grounds that he is under age, that really sounds disgusting. Today’s youngsters may be under age but given the background of this particular juvenile, its totally improper to claim that he is innocent. If he can allow his thinking to go as far as mutilating the victim with an iron rod, then he definitely stands no chance of being reformed.

    What guarantee can anyone give for that matter when this juvenile ends his 3 year term and is back to square one – this time it might not be an iron rod, but something greater than that where he is so damn sure that there will be no evidence left of the crime for prosecution?

    So what chance do we have with cases like these where the future of our women folk stands? I believe that the death penalty in such cases for the rarest of rare cases is nothing. These criminals and psycopaths need to be given such a type of punishment that is enough to send shivers for all future criminals who feel that they are above the law in all respects.

    This final punishment should be a deterrent in such a way that the very thought of ‘Rape’ in any man’s mind should make him lose his masculinity.

  30. Paul Siromoni permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:40 pm

    I agree that both the perpertrators of the crime and the police, hospital, government officials, etc. should be made responsible for the death of the girl.

  31. Bhaskar permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:42 pm

    Most easy and justified we done. But ia corrupt system. There are many question not answered. How bus was running with black glass. How many times bus owner has bribed to get illlegal sanction
    Govt. Particularly Delhi one and center has bowed due public and election interest. How else they appoint a rapist kurien to parliament. Total apathy.

  32. Susan Chaple permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:43 pm

    Theres a thread in some of these replies that of course doesnt justify the actions of the rapists…BUT speaks of Indian culture as if these men should be convicted and be executed to prevent other men purpertrating the same actions on defenceless women. We find it staggering that cultures as beautiful and asthetic as India should even think these evil thoughts let alone perpetrate them… and have men raping women (and children) in huge numbers. We imagine even centuries ago, in most countries, the love and respect of women by men would have PREVENTED such hatred and contempt towards any woman in the first place ! Our grandmother used to say a measure of a man (or woman) is in their heads as well as in their hands. Benjamin, Andrew & Susan Chaple Perrie

  33. September 14, 2013 3:44 pm

    someone there says he doesnt believe in capital punishement….and what KIND of punishment these animals have…god..I had read this but reading it again is sickening…!!! DYING for being raped and with an iron rod..can u imgaine her suffering..these guys shud be hanged to death cutting their balls and dicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!..and the one doing it goes to juvenile for THREE years?? hope he is killed like the one killed in jail..(suicide? an animal like that doesnt have regrets)

  34. September 14, 2013 3:47 pm

    This may be a exemple for others and they may avoid such acts in their own interest.

  35. September 14, 2013 3:50 pm

    After reading this article I am even much stronger against death penalty than I was ever before. As we all know it’s the whole society who is involved in creating rapists, thus if we think punishment is the right deterrent (which it is never), then clearly the whole society needs to be hanged. Thanks a lot for listing all these other people / institutions who were involved in the death of this woman. In my opinion they are clearly as much guilty as those who are going to be hanged. I can’t believe how the victims were treated by the police and actually not treated in the hospital. This is terrible and changing all this is clearly much more effective than hanging some humans. I appreciate your work!

  36. sadiqa permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:50 pm

    This case regarding Nirbhaya is the rarest of rare case which was brought to the forefront by the media………Every body invovled are answerable to this plight…….but what does one expect from them???????….If all the parties invovled were so true to themselves so more than half the crime against women would have been eradicate in India…….go to the core ie in the remote villages and follow the way women are treated through force and held captive where ever she goes for justice she’s denied and raped and tortured even further……what about such women……if the media gets in….so how are we to know whether the culprits held are genuine…….The corruption has to end in the upper-most level the automatically the lower strata will improve……so no unfortunate whether male or female will be jeopardized.

  37. David Weir (Sheikh Al Mayhem) permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:52 pm

    Death does not cure Death

  38. Dr. Da Cunha permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:06 pm

    I think all of them should get capital punishment, mainly the juvenile. And all other organs should be investigated, it is obvious the police, doctors and governament helped also to commited this crime by acting the way they acted. Another thing is the governament not wanting to reveal her name and picture, only shows the huge disrespected they have towards her. She has a name, she was a person as important as any other person. I wonder if it was a man that had died in this way, the Indian governement would build a shrine in his honour.

  39. teresa permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:14 pm

    hang all rapists its the only deterrent rape is very rare in Saudi Arabia as rapists are executed

  40. teresa permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:15 pm

    hang all rapists and murderers its the only deterrent

    • Rees Gallacher permalink
      September 15, 2013 3:48 pm

      And women don’t report it……

  41. Mohammed Imran permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:18 pm

    Its difficult to believe that the men sentenced to death are the guilty ones. With so many unanswered questions one has has to think is this the doing of the rich. Everyone knows but will not say in public that the rich in india, among other developing countries, do literally get away with murder. they just put the blame on a random poor person and pay the officials to make up the evidence against that person. The juvenile that only got three years even though he was the most vicious needs his background checked out. who was paid to do/say what to keep the truth from coming out. The legal system needs to do what it was designed to do uphold justice for the victims regardless of their class and financial status. if the poor get blamed for the sins of the rich then the crimes will continue and get worse and the culprits will still be free to continue and society will remain a very unsafe place for everyone not just women.

  42. Mahendra Hiralal Katharani permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:19 pm

    whether they will be actually hanged ? The forums of Human Rights are fighting and they may opt to apply President of India to forgive them from hanging and it will take about 10/20/30 years to take a decision and then their capital punishment may get change to life imprisonment.

  43. mavis permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:20 pm

    looks like the whole legal system needs sorting out and a few people dismissed from their positions

  44. September 14, 2013 4:30 pm

    While fully agreeing with the arguments made here, I too stand against capital punishment for whatever reason.

  45. Sharon permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:33 pm

    Joyce is, of course, 100% correct. The related question I have is whether or not one of the adults made him in do it or otherwise influenced him. If not, and it was of his own volition, he might deserve to be disemboweled in the same way, on camera, and the video shown to his fellow thugs so they learn the lesson without killing anyone else.

  46. Chris permalink
    September 14, 2013 4:43 pm

    I do not agree with capital punishment and question the right of any State to take human life in cold blood. The sentence in this case is a retrograde step for a country aspiring to be modern and progressive. That is not to say those guilty of an atrocious crime do not deserve the penalty prescribed by law; they obviously do. The danger is that it will be seen as solving a deep seated problem, which will remain, unfortunately, until the attitude towards females of Indian society in general changes, starting with babies. Even then, crimes of rape and murder will occur, as they do, unfortunately but inevitably, in countries where there is no death penalty. The death penalty demeans the reputation of any country where it is legal and brings no benefits at all, beyond crude revenge. This might be added to the five points above.

  47. September 14, 2013 4:55 pm

    Knowingly, the government took her dying bidy to Singapore to sherk-off the blame of her death is on sheer eye-wash of the GOVERMENT.

  48. Shyam Pendhari permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:01 pm

    Yes, I do agree the unanswer questions br clarified properly.

  49. Antoinette Starkiewicz permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:08 pm

    I think all 4 should burn, until dead, on a funeral pyre. In full public view. This might just serve as a deterrent.

  50. Devidas Warrier permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:22 pm

    I entirely agree with the urgency of finding completely satisfying answers to all the SIX questions listed above. Then and then only will the ends of social and humanitarian justice be met. The spontaneous popular awakening and massive movement which this shameful episode generated should not be allowed to die down but rekindled for urging the powers-that-be to give the right answers to these questions and take appropriate action to resolve the problems involved.

  51. Audrey permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:25 pm

    All 5 questions are relevant and well delivered. As a female myself, it is incomprehensible to what type of fear I would live in everyday, and the measures I would take to keep safe just in traveling to work, home, school, grocery shopping, etc. I’m not sure where I stand on capital punishment, in this case and ones similar to it with regards to the gender discrimination, double standards, and the level of the act of violence, it is evident, that other women and/children who were assaulted by these men felt a sigh of relief, and have 4 less “monsters” to worry about everyday. The more I learn about these societies the more I understand things about the centuries of social unjust toward women, children, and men who are committing the acts. However, it is the responsibility of the government to implement the frame work for social change, working to change mindsets and behaviors. It is a task at hand. With a heavy heart I read these stories of absolute disregard for human lives, and the brutality of the acts against females. Change must happen, this is a society that is allowing the genocide of females “human rights”.

  52. prasada permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:31 pm

    the questions you ask are endemic to our society and not case specific. good you ask these questions and let us do some heart searching

  53. Devanshi Somaiya permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:32 pm

    The sixth question should be
    We know all the problems that exist in India. They have been for years- corruption,politics, greed and most importantly apathy by Indian citizens, myself included, which allows this lack of accountability by the rest of system. I can not clean up the system by myself, but am I doing what I can? As I go about my life, how many of these inadequacies do I turn a blind eye to or participate in? Nothing changes unless it is forced to by circumstance. It is my responsibility and the responsibility of each Indian around me to create that circumstance in our own realms. Writing here is only the tip of the iceberg. If we don’t like the society we live in, WE have change it. Nobody else will.

  54. September 14, 2013 6:07 pm

    Reblogged this on Social Awareness.

  55. Tony K. permalink
    September 14, 2013 6:37 pm

    September 14, 2013


    I hold the entire nation responsible for such a henious crime. This is nothing new. It has been going on in India for decades. The “Foreign Tourists” have been robbed, raped and even murdered. This is just a tip of the crime iceberg. May be a final straw from which some good may come out.

    Public is moron for putting up with the corrupt system, incompetence and Lawlesness which starts with the “Corrupt” Leaders aka called Ministers.

    In the United States Of America, the Law Is Same For Rich Or Poor. No Concessions made regardless your Mama or Papa is a Cabinet Minister or a Governor General.

    I fully support “Capital Punishment”. In the State Of Texas, USA; The State fries about 350 – 400 hardcore Crimnals a year. It translates to about 1+ Capital Punish ment a day.

    Public and the “Court System” holds the Governent Departments and their individual employees “Financially Responsible”. The hot shot “Attorneys” will fight lawsuits very often at Zero Cost to the victim. They fight for their clients and get them “Financially Compenstated” and their high profile “Guts and Glory”.

    If the Culprit is found “Guilty” by a “Judge OR a Public Jury”, you spend rest of your life behind bars, makiing pebbles out of a rock with bare hands. The Culprit rather be dead then be in the Chain Gang, do Public work (Hard Labor), make roads, highways. The daily wages for the rest of life goes to the Victim. Try to run and get “Shot Dead”.

    Court and/Or the Jury will award Medical Expenses, Loss Of Time, Emotional Stress and 2 to 3 times the Punitive Damages”.

    Forgot to mention, you raped once, may be twice in the free world. In the Prison, your ass is going to be raped everyday, all the time by other hard core criminals. You will be their reward. You wish you were dead.

    Oh! ya. Here everybody packs them self. Translation, carries a pieace, heat, a gun. You shoot one and chances are 5 will shoot your ass. Kapish….

    • krish permalink
      September 15, 2013 12:52 am

      You propagate a total lie when you suggest the U.S. metes out equal justice for rich and poor. Look at the statistics of your own state or any other – economic and social status are huge determinants of results of trials and punishments. And the “State of Texas, USA” loves to “fry” even mentally retarded people.

    • Mani permalink
      September 15, 2013 9:03 am

      I wish we had this system in India which will also mete out the SAME level of politicians who provide protection to ALL (not most, )I repeat, ALL criminals sometimes directly due to family relations, or indirectly due to running a corrupt system of rewarding the criminal and punishing the innocent. In India it is the ‘common’ man (or woman) who get the most dastardly treatment meted out to them daily for their entire lives and for generations. Hope this awakening changes all this.

  56. Wendy Battle permalink
    September 14, 2013 6:42 pm

    Before this story broke, I’d had no idea that Indian women faced such unequal treatment. It really is quite terrifying. I’m praying for the women of India in their struggle for equality. Godspeed.

  57. Maaz Kalim permalink
    September 14, 2013 6:56 pm

    Sad, bad true! Internet, Movies and other medias are mainly responsible for this but people connected with these mediums don’t agree. After all, why would anyone let his/her side be proved wrong? I could give more “lecture” (what most people might be thinking) but I won’t (even if this topic is related to the subject of this blog post). And whether I get personal attack on this is uncertain, but still that’s not NIL for sure (even if I’m not debating).

    • Maaz Kalim permalink
      September 17, 2013 1:39 pm

      Oh, you edited my comment, but still I don’t have any problem as you did within an hour. Thank God you have enough funds to do so within an hour! Thank You So Much for doing this for the sake of Women (specially). 🙂

  58. September 14, 2013 7:03 pm

    I worry that this is a one off eyewash move of Indian administration backed by politicians. The law should be equal for every citizen of India. Questions need to be asked:
    – was the horrific nature of the gang rape created this public uproar?
    – what about the lower cast hindu women who are regularly raped and tortured by upper class Hindus and others? Where is there justice? How many of the gang rapists have received capital punishment yet in India?
    – What about the Indian politician and Elites who are accused of rapes and gang rapes and still holding power? Will they be hanged if found guilty?
    – If any of these perpetrators was from Indira Gandhi family or any other powerful family would they get prosecuted, let alone hanged? Would public get this much upset like in this case?

    I am not pleased, with this verdict at all. In a country where in every 6 seconds one woman gets raped and 99% of the perpetrators escape justice system, then I would say Indian lawmakers have failed the nation and if this the best they can do, they they better put their hands up and taxpayers should kick them out of parliament for good!

    • Mani permalink
      September 15, 2013 9:13 am

      I agree with your anger. Wasn’t it just a week or 2 after this rape, that another woman labourer was gang raped and the body burnt to hide the evidence! And a few months down the line a photojournalist gets gangraped in mumbai. Rapists should be exposed..onto with shrouds on their face…why do they cover the convicts face in court even after they have been sentenced? They should be castrated ( this can be done using injections, so much so that they will have no intention of having ANY desire towards the opposite sex). The sickness in Indian political system which goes ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP is responsible and must be cleansed. I pray for the victims. The police( some of them are habitual rapists like some wardens in young girls’ hostels, believe it or not!), the judiciary and the ministers are all EQUALLY TO BLAME.

  59. michael permalink
    September 14, 2013 7:26 pm

    Punish the judges for delay and wrong judgement then all bureacrats and politicians and finally Police for not registering FIR we had calm and peace in goa bt since outsiders evaded its gone to dogs as most people comment

    Mike from Goa

  60. Rajiya Rana permalink
    September 14, 2013 7:26 pm

    This whole system needs to be cleaned up. And I don’t agree with the death punishment, I believe they should get the worst punishment of all. And hang to death is to easy punishment. The government needs to learn how to help it people and community.

  61. Robin permalink
    September 14, 2013 7:39 pm

    I do believe in capital punishment. For years we have got soft on crime, what of the endless suffering the partners, Mother, Father’s Brother’s, Sisters, Son’s and Daughters that have to live for the rest of there lives suffering the loss of someone they love. The punishment has to match the crime to make these people think what they will face if they carry out such horrific crimes.

  62. September 14, 2013 7:46 pm

    Very valid questions which need to be answered,system is rotten,needs improvement.How such an animal has been given benefit of juvenile?

  63. John Callen permalink
    September 14, 2013 7:51 pm

    All these questions need to be answered and addressed. The death penalty has never worked; if it had any preventative value whatsoever such crimes as those committed against this poor victim would never happen again.

    • Lonnie Stringer permalink
      September 15, 2013 2:43 am

      What should be done, incarceration has proven to not work also?

  64. September 14, 2013 8:11 pm

    Capital punishment is a must in crimes like these. So many die due to the horrific crimes acted upon them. You purposely kill brutally, you die, even if with little dignity.

  65. Virender permalink
    September 14, 2013 8:28 pm

    Clearly if there was no public outcry this case would have languished like the rest with the inept judicial system and pliable judges taking a lenient view. if the judges can not act on the dictates of the law together with their own conscience then they have no business to be judges. It appears that the government machinery bows to public opinion – only when it is massive and aggressive. Thus the public now needs to stand up and be an active participant in the governance of the country, put the fear in the minds of the politicians, IAS, IPS and the rest masquerading as administrators when for all practical purposes they function as common thieves.

  66. September 14, 2013 8:39 pm

    What do you think is the role of media in this entire episode ? Dont the people behind this campaign see the role of media in turning women into sex-objects for the satisfaction of men ? why do they not want to go after corporations that are turning women into sexual objects? Is it because such an action will stop their funding ? or is it because it is not easy to prove, argue in court ? this is my biggest frustration with feminist’s reaction to such incidents: they do not go after media and corporations.

    • September 16, 2013 10:55 am

      We are not funded by any organization because we are fund free and run entirely on grassroot volunteer effort 🙂 See this. And yes, we do happily go after media too when we feel they need to be addressed. Like this.

  67. Vertica permalink
    September 14, 2013 8:45 pm

    Death penalty is a rare thing in India. Known for spreading love, peace and friendship all over, the world must know that India does get angry as well. And when it does, like the case that erupted, we don’t want to give a chance even for an appeal (if you ask the masses). This message should go clear to all rotten minds.

  68. Yogindra Balhara permalink
    September 14, 2013 9:16 pm

    In view of so many rape cases and the verdict in Delhi rape case, there are many lessons that we can learn and specially law enforcement authorities/Government and can do something about them.

    1. Why are these cases still happening everyday. What actions should be taken and what actions has been taken to prevent these incidences. There should be a particular person who has duty to prevent, who should be given the authority to handle these with out interference and made answerable to these incidences and in case he fails in his duties he should be penalized/punished.

    At present there is no one who is answerable.

    2. Will you send your daughter/sister with any body whose antecedents are not know to you, then why should we not make sure about the people in whose company our loved ones can be vulnerable. These people should be high character and while recruiting for these posts whether private or Govt. we should confirm in the data base if they have committed any crime or have been involved in any anti social activities. There will be extensive list of these people but to name some, drivers of the buses, conductors of the buses, teachers, coaches in sports, doctors, nurses, hospital and school workers, police officers and workers, law enforcement officials, IAS/IPS, judges, lawyers, candidates for public elective offices and MLA’s and MP’s and so many others should go through extensive screening before they are hired for the job.

    3. To help this screening, we should have data base on each and every person through out the country. Each and every crime, felony, mischief, corruption committed or suspected should be mandated to be reported to this data base. Once it is put in the data base nobody should be allowed to take it out of data base unless the person proves in the court that the data is wrong.

  69. CalPeacock permalink
    September 14, 2013 10:32 pm

    I would kill him, the juvenile, as well as the others. Although it hurts my heart to say this.
    I looked at the pictures of these men long and hard. Looking for some innocence, some light in their eyes. I saw nothing but darkness. I have a daughter. I think what if this were my daughter so perversely savaged. I am sorry for all their souls. Somewhere in their childhoods these men must have been terribly abused to harbor such evil hatred. I am one who does not even kill rattlesnakes, but catches and releases them away from people. I am sorry for the innocence lost. I weep now as I write this; thinking of the little boys these men once were. And still I say kill them. They have crossed the line of humanity. They are no longer human. They are rogue animals. I am so very sorry but please do kill them all.
    Yes the system must be held to account as well. Everyone who prioritized politics or whatever the reason for extending and ignoring her suffering should be held to account.

  70. MOHAMED BHAYLA permalink
    September 14, 2013 10:41 pm


  71. Judy Epstein permalink
    September 14, 2013 10:53 pm

    Firstly, the juvenile should have a much longer sentence and carefully (no escape possible) transferred to an adult jail when he becomes of age. Secondly, the police need to be made fully aware of the necessity of immediate medical treatment whether you are a man or a woman. Lastly, gender respect need to be included in all schools from day one. Yes, the actions and behaviour of family, peers and mass media play a large and influential role. More than this, I don’t know.
    In the early 1990’s I spent six months in India, There was never a problem. I hope it can continue to change, this time for the better.

  72. September 14, 2013 11:07 pm

    one truly reaps what they sow or does do unto others what you would have them do unto you fit here better i dont really like capital punishment but when one kills another person the way this girl was killed i think they deserve to be terminated to bad it isnt in the same manner with no dignity at all and no kind words

  73. Abhinao permalink
    September 14, 2013 11:33 pm

    Can we the people not do something about it. I mean I am serious about it. Let’s seriously literally seriously do something.

    • September 16, 2013 10:52 am

      @Abhinao — Right now this seems to be driven by Nirbhaya’s parents response. Their main focus seemed to be death penalty for the accused, and the government realized that that’s the easiest way to ensure that the parents will not demand further inquiry into the roles of the others — police, courts, government etc. Right from the start the government promised the family 25 lakhs and finally may have given more (it’s not disclosed). But they are not well off and they invested a lot of money to educated their daughter. Perhaps they feel this is their reality and that this is the best they expect?

  74. Ruth Choweller permalink
    September 14, 2013 11:44 pm

    I agree Capital punishment for such crimes to deter others from even thinking about it. I also agree that the juvenile should not be let off with just 3 years imprisonment, he should be treated for his sick mind before he is released, otherwise he can retaliate once he is free.
    Our TV channels show ” Savdhaan India ” and ” Crime Patrol ” programmes which are incidents that are true and how our police and others responsible are dealing with it. Slowly but surely people are being caught and punished for their crimes. We hope that we are aware of how important it is to train a child, a youngster. They should be supervised and checked what they are doing with their time and not allowed to watch adult programmes, read wrong books, move in wrong company etc. As parents we have to inculcate in them good habits and manners. It takes time and effort but the end results are worth it.

  75. ajit permalink
    September 15, 2013 12:38 am

    Although there are strong ethical, philosophical, moral and rationalist arguments against capital punishment, I doubt the current level of social consciousness is compatible with those arguments. In other words, has our social consciousness overcome retributive mindset of “an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth”? Although, ideally the purpose of punishment should be reform or some other higher end, in practice in extreme forms of criminal offenses, it is the deep rooted instinct of vengeance that surfaces as an excuse for punishment. Instincts are given in nature, so there is no point judging them right or wrong. If we are a community of elevated saints then may be we have overcome our instinct of vengeance, in which case capital punishment might appear improper. But in the current state of our morality death sentence is rather a natural collective response. So, I don’t see how any punishment other than death sentence can even be debated in the context of this case. Here is a simple test to determine your actual opinion in the matter: Imagine that the victim was your sister/daughter/mother. Now decide what kind of punishment would you have for the criminals? I am reminded of Graham Staines, an Australian missionary in India who was brutally murdered along with his two young kids. Yet, his wife who continues to work for leprosy patients in India, was compassionate enough to forgive the murderers. How many of us can be so compassionate? If we can be really so compassionate, I am sure the crime figures would be extremely low to require the system of justice and policing. But remember spiritual evolution is much slower than physical, mental and intellectual evolution.

  76. ousman sonko permalink
    September 15, 2013 12:42 am

    no amount of punishment will bring back the victim. although those responsible should face the full force of the law to discourage others. notwithstanding, governments including that of india should do more by reducing socially unequal positions men and women occupy in our societies since gender-based violence in most cases are as as result of of unequal roles men and women occupy.

  77. Robbie Price permalink
    September 15, 2013 1:17 am

    Justice is three things to me: care of the victim, punishment of the wrong doer, and a statement for society. As we cannot find all perpetrators we must also provide a dissinsentive for those we do not catch. Primary, though is the treatment of the victim(hich include family and friends).
    The concept of injustice should definitely extend to those who do not adequately permit care or seek punishment. in New Zealand, for example, killing someone with a car, especially a cyclist is rarely punished in any way. India faces a long and difficult path to de-normalise horrific crimes against women, but the evidence from the protests is that the whole of society is ready and eager so see this change came about.
    I do not agree with the death penalty per se, but could not think of a more deserving class of criminal to award it to than these. I think the state should be permitted to allow the sentence but the victim or victims next of kin should be able to reject it.
    On the jail side of the argument, I don’t believe it should be a bad place to be. Everyone should be able to be willing to have their own child go there without stigma. It should be a safe place, but one of rigid spiritual discipline. No contact with other prisoners, rise early, work hard, and have to care for plants or animals, and prepare food.

  78. Rajendra Tosawar permalink
    September 15, 2013 1:18 am

    In logical opinion, like this case life-long sentence would be far better punishment than the death sentence because by the death sentence a culprit quickly gets rid of heinous deed while in life -long sentence he would be suffering much longer. For a faster judgement a judicial-committee should be appointed through out India which can precisely judge every case like this without any bias by which the committee can restore their value and victim can be justified properly.

  79. Ed Wardo permalink
    September 15, 2013 1:32 am

    I normally don’t support capital punishment on human beings , but this was not a human act , it was worst then an animal act , it is humane to put these murderous of their miserable life forever without a questions and those who were involved in death of this innocent young women . they can go to hell and suffer the wrath of God ! Karma is a Bitch !

  80. Stephen Block permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:06 am

    Malfeasance is a crime, and should be punished as such. Misfeasance, or gross dereliction of duty, should be punished by being fired without notice or pension or any kind of grace, and being blacklisted for any future government job. Nonfeasance should be punished by being fired.

  81. Lonnie Stringer permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:40 am

    FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT .For those of you who think that these people will feel bad when the get to prison,you need to wake up. These people do not care, They have no feeling like normal people or they would never have done the crime.

  82. mary maxwell permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:51 am

    It is a pity that the principles of Brehon Law do not apply for they are far older and superior to the Common Law, more civilised and fairer to women and the distribution of property.I speak as and English Lawyer and find what is happening in India and indeed throughout the world totally inhumanly abhorrent to any form of justice and on a world scale we all need to protest and bring about reform to a system, which for too long has treated women and children as objects of abuse. Every day I pray that a shield will be put around these sad victims and that God will send an envoy to frighten the life out of the horrific perpetrators of such gross acts against humanity. Did none of these awful men have no respect for their own mothers?

    • Christopher Lennon permalink
      September 19, 2013 8:40 pm

      Then you are as bad a person as them really.

    • Christopher Lennon permalink
      September 19, 2013 8:44 pm

      Older than the Common Law, mary maxwell? And superior? I doubt it very much. What is Brehon Law anyway and which enlightened society does it spring from?

  83. Neeti permalink
    September 15, 2013 7:51 am

    I have one more question to add: Would the punishment be same if these four were sons of powerful politicians or well heeled Dads?

    • jobin permalink
      March 7, 2015 4:42 pm

      No way……..

  84. Mani permalink
    September 15, 2013 9:18 am

    Let us stop emotionalising against capital punishment. Rape is the most heinous of all crimes and needs most serious punishment. May be life long imprisonment..not 14 years but entire life would be acceptable , because these same rapists would be tortured by their inmates till they emotionally die. This should be done to the juvenile too. Remember that the juvenile age limits are changing due to media exposure etc and stronger punishments need to be meted out to these persons too.

  85. Dr. Rabin Sankar Choudhury permalink
    September 15, 2013 10:09 am

    I personally donot beleive in capital punishment. Role of Police should have been taken into account.

  86. Dr. Rabin Sankar Choudhury permalink
    September 15, 2013 10:10 am


  87. Dr. Rabin Sankar Choudhury permalink
    September 15, 2013 10:13 am

    All the questions raised in the article,needs to be taken into account and the action should have been taken accordingly.

  88. September 15, 2013 11:01 am

    Any man that does anything to a women especially what these men did to this beautiful younge women, and how she died, sickens me beyond belief. HOW could anyone do this to another human being. This younge women had her life ahead of her…..and because of these sick and twisted individuals, a government, that has the right to belittle all women and allow men to treat women and children in this way, allowing men to get away with their crime and a police force, that couldn’t have given a dame about her or any other women.
    THESE Government officials made this possible, this discusting crime against all women, because they have for so long made it a fact to all who live in this back ward country of theirs. That women have no rights……at all, and it’s ok to treat women the way they do.
    I think it’s called genacide , isn’t it ? And they said HITLER was a maniac, he was, but how many years have past by since the Second World War ? There is a war that is still going on to this day….in India and other countries like it….GENACIDE is happening to the women of INDIA. And it has to be STOPPED.
    I pray for all the women that live in these countries, all the women who have gone through such a shocking act of crime and I also pray that all these women and young girls hold these Government officials accountable one day soon.
    My prayers are with all the women and young girl children of India. May God give you all a helping hand.

  89. September 15, 2013 11:35 am

    i also completely agree with VIJAY KUMAR BAGLA who made comments above.

  90. mithu permalink
    September 15, 2013 1:17 pm

    i agree with the entire argument put forward in this column . we need to analyse the weaknesses in our system and rectify these honestly for the dignity and honour of the nation which has taken a battering in the world and india has been looked down upon as ” not safe for women ” .

  91. John Jay permalink
    September 15, 2013 4:43 pm


  92. September 15, 2013 5:22 pm

    I still baulk at the death penalty. As an alternative, to avoid the judicial taking of lives, my suggestion would be life imprisonment in total solitary confinement without any prospect of future release and being put to work productively upon a saleable commodity in a prison industry to provide for the offender’s life-long keep. In short, socially useful productivity in return for the retention of the offender’s life.

  93. September 15, 2013 5:56 pm

    In a horrific case like this one, I emphatically believe in the death penalty, this was beyond horrific, those criminals who gang rape the woman and physically assaulted her male companion are incorrigible, and the extreme punishment -the Death Penalty is justifiable in my opinion!

  94. sam permalink
    September 15, 2013 9:02 pm

    I think we need to be doing more, this is one of the few cases which had been highlighted.Think of all the doctors and the people involved in female foeticide, they are sick. Why is the administration silent about the entire matter, this happened in a state where we do have the heads of state, the parliament and a female chief minister…things need to change..would they have sat reluctant if someone affected was related to them..

  95. Joseph Pena permalink
    September 15, 2013 9:28 pm

    The victims in this case may be poor, but many the people on this blog & on facebook who were in support of these victims world wide, are not. I propose that we all chip in and start a legal fund to hire for these poor people some of the best legal representation money can buy so we can get answers to these 5 questions. Those who can give lots can give handsomely, those without means can give what they can afford, but if the whole world gets behind this we can perform a miracle ! What happened here is an outrage and we need to send the Indian legal system a message they will never forget, and that will force them to change their ways on such matters.The men who did this were animals as were, from what I can see, some of the officials who evidently hampered this case. The actual perpetrators were punished, but all the officials who dragged their feet and hampered this case have not been brought to justice. They should all be held liable both criminally and civilly. They should be made to pay through the nose compensation to the victim. I submit that the fund be ongoing as a Rape Watch in India to help rape victims, especially those who are too poor to afford adequate representation and to put pressure on the government to change the laws regarding rape and how cases of rape are handled in hospitals so that rape victims are treated in a kindly, compassionate and timely manner as they deserve.

    • September 16, 2013 11:04 am

      We thought about that too. Right now though this seems to be driven by Jyoti’s parents’ response. Their main focus seems to be death penalty for the accused, and the government realized that that’s the easiest way to ensure that the parents will not demand further inquiry into the roles of the others — police, courts, government etc. Right from the start the government, cordoned off the family, restricted everyone’s access to them — going to the extent where they went to get them from the airport from Singapore, made their funeral private, and promised the family 25 lakhs and finally may have given more (it’s not disclosed), in addition to medical and legal costs. But the family is not well off and they invested a lot of money to educated their daughter. So to the family the government is a ‘savior’ and has given them justice. And if they do not want to press the other agencies, we cannot force them to, and nor can it be legally brought up in court. But we can still continue to push these points into public consciousness, discussion and demand from the perspective of this being a landmark case addressing more than justice for one victim.

  96. ojezzii permalink
    September 16, 2013 6:29 am

    I think the minor should have been tried as an adult and executed, I also think law inforcement should be jailed…but u must understand that Indian people are insensitve ppeople.

  97. siri permalink
    September 16, 2013 9:38 am

    The death penalty wont work, it wont prevent them from doing these crimes.
    The punishment should be in such a way that they should be scared to even think about doing such a crime.

    The punishment should be painful, to kill them each and every second, as what the girl parents are going through.

    It does not make any sense even if they realize what they have done, because they already did, and they are not going to do any great things in world that they have to be alive, but they have to experience the pain what the girl have undergone as well as parents are going through.

    • Devidas Warrier permalink
      September 16, 2013 10:55 am

      Do you mean to say that instead of the death penalty, the courts should award unremitting torture as punishment? Such a step is uncalled-for as it would be inhuman and as such against all canons of social justice and humanitarian principles. Further, what guarantee is there that the culprits under torture will not become more cruel and psychopathic?

  98. SASHI permalink
    September 16, 2013 2:20 pm

    first i totally agree with the 5 questions raised above, we should have a clear cut procedures in handling the issues as it is said right from the role of police, hospital,politics,Govt and corruption. if all have done right thing at right time atleast there could have been some chance to save the life of the victim, atleast from now in future if all the concerned, act timely then we could do some justice to our profession, and job towards the society and people. still if our govt does not realize and make necessary correction till such time no body can help our INDIA. coming to the point of punishment i agree with both siri and devidas, both are correct, infact i also strongly feel that punishment should be so pain full that people should get scared even to think about such crime, because the punishment is not much painful till date still we are reading daily such incidents in papers which are coming to live other wise we don’t know how many such cases are being buried through out the INDIA. not only this i feel law should punish all those people who have not performed their duties in time in such incidences . i think these police, doctors etc who are human beings should first act as humans and they should admit the girl first i a good hospital and the hospital people should have started the treatment immediately on humanitarian grounds, then they can think of rules and regulations. to our fate now a days all the doctors and hospitals are more commercial than the politicians there should be some control on hospitals also other wise we have to face these situations and that is how our blady system is, there is an immediate need to change our system other wise we don’t know how many lives are burried under the earth.

  99. September 16, 2013 3:42 pm

    These bastards need to be executed for the horrific crime committed against this woman

  100. MILAGROS IRAGUI permalink
    September 16, 2013 3:44 pm

    That’s not the solution for the problem. There are many ways to take with this youngs. No to CAPITAL PUNISHMENT. Years of history have shown that the death penalty is not effective.

  101. Roopchand permalink
    September 17, 2013 4:17 am

    My fellow citizens of the world and not only to India, my comment goes out to the entire world and those 148 countries that have followed and or commented on the ruling, Some of you need to check your mindset when It comes to JUSTICE FOR ALL not just Justice for one person, i.e. the victim, the message must be sent to all the world when it comes to violence against CHILDREN and WOMEN, that when a decision of unprecedented measure has come from the LAWS OF MEN, who is to say GOD didn’t have a hand in this. When Saddam Hussein was hanged, the entire world knew about it right away, HUMANS ARE A VIRUS ON THIS PLANET, regardless of their upbringing and education, everyone is a sinner and has fallen way short of THE GLORY OF THE LIVING GOD IN THEIR LIVES. when a society begins to ERADICATE each level of STAIN OF INFECTION from its population and cleanse the MIND as well as THE HEART, so then will new TRAINING of the mind will begin, but it starts with THE HEART and loving Jesus Christ and having Faith in the ONE LIVING GOD, and that goes for the entire planet in accepting JESUS CHRIST. This hanging should be made public so the entire world sees what is the OUTCOME OF ANY SUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

  102. September 17, 2013 3:55 pm

    Why not add one more point to this? That juvenile of this case be treated as an adult and hanged instead of being handed this ridiculous “3 year imprisonment”.. He was almost an adult at the time of commission of crime and is getting away with rape and murder.. Age of being considered a juvenile should be amended to 16 if not 14..

  103. Steph Prior permalink
    September 17, 2013 7:01 pm

    I also do not support capital punishment on principle, although I have no sympathy for any of the defendants in this horrific case. My gut reaction on hearing of the death sentences for 4 of the accused is that this is a government cover-up – dish out harsh sentence for these rapists to silence the public outcry and make it look like the authorities are ‘doing the right thing’ while in fact absolutely nothing changes. The problem is not just a handful of misogynist psychopaths but a culture where a judge can declare that if the VICTIM had been his daughter he’d have burnt her to death for being immodest and immoral!

  104. September 17, 2013 8:56 pm

    First, a lot of prayers are needed to come to terms with the existance of such evils. Then we should try to get into the other’s shoes (as much as we can, because it can be painfull and soul-damagine if you are sensitive) – both victim and victimizers (the actual culprits and the rest who- like your five points- help the crime come along and continualize it). And be aware that people who undergo violence, their families and others who feel for them, must never be reproached for what they say, even if they plan the most painful retributions-penalties that their minds can come up with- their pain must come out, this is understandable.
    About this case…This juvenile- how juvenile was he(18,17,16?); because I understand that this was a mob that did these kind of crimes habitually – and if you have a 17 year old who has done something like this repeatedly, I’m sorry but I feel justice should treat him like a psychopathic adult! And in any case, juveniles with a record of hard crimes to show should certainly not be treated like the teenager who commits first crime!
    I agree with all your points although I must admit I had a different idea for Indian hospitals…My mind goes to blaming the police for dumping the victims there rather to the nurses and doctors. I may be wrong, I don’t know all the facts. I agree with that woman who said that it feels like they all wanted her dead, from the police who came late and stood watching and….waiting, to the authorities who put under uneeded strain the victim (against doctor’s wishes). A grave point is also the selective use of the only witness’ acount. If part of it is true, why is it not all true? (where there is no actual reason for lying! being also a victim too, his account should be given double notice.)
    All these misshaps and bypasses of testimonies and questions arising of the role of authorities in the procedures (justice is independant of police, politics and society status – I want here to state that “casts” should some day be past), is a good reason for you to start a petition, with the help of lawyers, for the need to cleanse India’s legal system and make it really independant and thus really functional.
    P.S.I think that all criminals should wear a necklace with the picture of their crime, during prison, so that they could see that even in the lowest and worst classes of people, a crime is something you avert….They would find out that some of their prison mates would show aversion to socializing witih them( according of course to the crime).;that would be a nice lesson!

  105. Lata permalink
    September 17, 2013 10:54 pm

    For all those against capital punishment. In this particular case, we very well know the identity of the accused and also 100% sure that they committed the crime. Even in such a case, you would not prefer capital punishment for them? okay, then please imagine same thing happened to your daughter. Would you be so generous as to pardon these animals so that they go on committing the same crime once again? I dont think so. So please stop putting up an act.

  106. September 18, 2013 11:44 am

    “If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.”
    John McAdams – Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence


    I think that makes good point for capital punishment.. In fact I believe countries are being bullied into abandoning this practice to be thought of as belonging to the civilised category as portrayed by pseudo intellectuals, so called conscience keepers of humanity.. If they still insist, release these criminals to their homes and then may be they would like to change their mind..

  107. Klara permalink
    September 18, 2013 1:16 pm

    Karenmcfly, I totally approve your comment. John Jay, why are you accusing Saurav of talking like a corrupt politician? Doesn´t he have the right to be against capital punishment? It gives me a bad feeling that even on a text like this, some people are insulting others in capital letters and talking about scrotums. I do not support revenge. I do not support violence. Violence only perpetrates more violence. That is why I am against the death penalty in all cases. It makes me angry. If we kill murderers we are as bad as them. We need to find a peaceful way of getting out of the circle of violence. And also, I think it makes a murderer suffer more if he is kept in prison his entire life than if we just kill him, anyway. There is physical pain and then there is psychological pain.
    Having said that, I understand in this case it´s about acertaining that the other people responsible in this case are also examined, not about whether the death penalty is justified. Changing the law of India about this is another story and another campaign.


  108. Bani permalink
    September 19, 2013 11:06 pm

    I read this on facebook. and as you read along, I’d only add – it’s appalling to see these men in khaki go from bad to worse by the day….even worst is the fact that they have the audacity to label women who stand up and say “STOP stereotyping us to hide your own incompetence”

    Further, I’m appalled at the state of affairs viz a viz Delhi Police, especially the Lajpat Nagar Police Station. And Today I take this medium to let all the Delhi Police/ Police Reforms (India) know:
    “Follow/ shadow/ or stalk me, the truth will have to come out no matter how much you try to suppress under one garb or another!!”

    Subject: Stop Wasting Tax Payers Money on Incompetent Police Stations, led by equally Incompetent SHO’s

    This police station in particular sends out its mercenaries in the form of Beat Constables, who lack even basic courtesy etiquette, of how to address, leave alone treat a woman citizen. Perhaps no one taught them, “Familiarity breeds contempt”. and when rebuked for their behaviorism, this set of 10+2 something’s dare to gossip about women who don’t fit their “misplaced perceptive norms” in a metro, that are then transgressed into opinion polls at the police stations led by their Boss, the SHO, whose also perhaps a risen-from-the-ranks.

    Read on, how this band of officers tie-up with RWA’s to impress upon unsuspecting neighborhood residents to further their opinions, calling it a “neighborhood scheme by introducing cross-bell system among neighbors a way of better policing”. Here are some of the salient features of their schemes:

    Sr. No. 4) If you suspect of seeing any intruder sitting/ loitering in or around your house, keeping a watch on your movements. Please alert the police?
    Ground Reality: When you do that, the const, instantly states, “bichara gareeb hai chhaya lene betha hoga”.

    Sr. No. 5) All those jay-walkers, like fruit sellers should be registered with the RWA:
    Ground Reality: 6 Years hence, there’s no such system workable, because most of the entry gates are porus or with mere/ next to negligible security to check whose who?

    Sr. No. 6) Asking the resident to suggest if the Garbage man were a Bangladeshi, suggesting illegal immigrant and thus a suspect from some burglar gang?

    Ground Reality: There’s no mechanism in place to even check them, leave alone apprehend them.
    Citing a live example where this very Police Station Just let off Suspects for want of sheer incompetence/ lack of negligence by the Investigating Officers.

    Twice the resident handed over law breakers to the Lajpat Nagar Police Station Sub Inspectors and at all times, the LN Police just let the culprits off without action/ investigation or even a customary warning?

    Latest Incident: 14 September 1430-1500 a woman is physically assaulted, almost battered and strangled to death by a naplese trained to kill maid she caught robbing, one who was caught changing names at every employment, including two separate Nepal ID cards she carried with two separate names on her person, completely off from the ones used for employment in Delhi. A confirmed illegal immigrant together with being a fraud. When called 100, Police comes in 30 mins late, brought in by the head of family. Takes no pictures of the crime scene; On the contrary, the IO, states, “Iska saman de dijiye, hum verify karke isse chhor denge” –

    Are there two different rules for two different illegal immigrants? One for the Naplese and another for the Bangladeshi?

    And if the IO had to just close the case with – “the illegal immigrants statement, against what was clearly evident as an assault with visible head and neck injuries; why did the SHO send the victim for any MLC? Or is the process of MLC as farce as the illegal immigrant policy?

    Why didn’t the SHO consider the fact that the naplese having two differently named ID Cards, and the modus-operandi of the two; the maid and her accomplice who referred the maid also carrying a different name on ID and a different to introduce, could be a Maoist…

    Prior to this, the 1st Incident: 5 men claiming to be BSES Linemen without ID Proofs trespass premises in mid afternoon citing as Collection agents, intimidate an 85+ yr old senior citizen and leave only to return a day after again with the same intent, without any orders/ procedural documents. And when reported and handed over these men to police – LN SI Lets them off – stating, verified and let them off, under instructions of SHO??

    With this scenario, I’m sure anyone reading this can conclude how our Police Stations operate.

    Thus the subject corroborates with real time situations – STOP WASTING OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY TO MAINTAIN Incompetent POLICE STATIONS.

    I hope and wish the ACP of this region gets to read this and understand both our expressed and unexpressed words and disgust.

    • September 20, 2013 11:10 am

      We need to move beyond blaming immigrants etc. The same arguments are given in Delhi and Mumbai — that these are men from other states. We need to have a system that is vigilant, functional and accountable both for government and all residents.

  109. Prateek Gupta permalink
    September 23, 2013 2:23 pm

    Minor should also be hanged till death..there should be a clause of imparting death sectance to these bloody minors..otherwise they would get persuasion..,!!

    • roopchand permalink
      September 25, 2013 5:34 am

      Yes, Absolutely 100 percent I agree, there must be no room for mistakes.

  110. Prateek Gupta permalink
    September 23, 2013 2:33 pm

    The minor should also be hanged ..assuming this as a case of rare and exceptional case..!! And the law should be modified axcordingly to accombodate death penalty to these types of bloody minors.,!!

    • September 24, 2013 7:09 pm

      I agree. Anyone who has been taught such cruelty is beyond rehabilitation. no soul, no conscience, no life. Inbreeding has a lot to answer for.

  111. September 26, 2013 10:23 am

    There is need to change the application of the term ‘juvenile’. It must relate to the nature of crime and not to the age of the offender. The petty crimes which a child can commit may be stealing food, small value fancy item or street brawls may be treated as juvenile crimes irrespective of the age of the offender. All the major crimes like gang rape, abduction and rape, rape and murder, acid throwing, physical attacks on refusals of advances are crimes committed by a person who is adult in all respect and therefore he should be treated as adult and be punished for his crime. Further these crimes committed against women indicate a warped mentality which can not be corrected therefore they remain a permanent threat to female population as well as a blot on the name of all right thinking male population. The only remedy is to eliminate then like a deadly virus. Keeping them in jail means a burden on society for their upkeep and then leaving them to do it all again.
    As regards 5 points raised above I can say that they should be tackled on a priority basis and my suggestions are,
    1 The policemen who fail to provide immediate help to victims should to tried and dismissed from the service since they have failed in their primary duty.
    2 The hospitals not providing immediate attention to injured victims should be heavily fined and their administrator be sentenced if a repetition takes place.
    3 Statement of the victim should be taken only once in presence of a magistrate. Any other statement only after recovery.
    4 The bus owner plying the bus should be held accessory to the crime and be punished accordingly.

  112. Preeti Prasad permalink
    September 29, 2013 1:00 pm



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